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shikaka
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 20:14
Non parlo italiano, ma ho scritto le proposte qui in inglese:

freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discussione.aspx?idd=9672056&...

Panzer_Grenadiere
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 20:48
Non metto bocca sulla geografia, ma devo dire che le idee sulle unità sono veramente buone!
Effettivamente i razziatori transilvani sono abbastanza ridicoli, dei bifolchi squallidi armati di alabarda... Invece terrei i giavellottisti valacchi che sono fighissimi e anche abbastanza forti. L'idea dei musulmani reclutati nelle fila magiare e la cavalleria cumana fuggita dai mongoli sono davvero belle e renderebbero più interessante una fazione tutto sommato piuttosto "piatta".

In english:
I like a lot your ideas about units, in particular Calisians and Cuman Notables, they could (oppure should? boh... [SM=g27982]) make a lot more interesting to play this fraction. I hope the modders find interesing your concept too.
Well done!
Glauco vincitore
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 22:12
L'idea mi piace davvero molto, anche perché personalmente sono un fan sfegatato dei Magiari. Non mi pronuncio neanch'io sulle regioni da assegnare, però sulle unità devo dire che mi trovo concorde, anche se non rimuoverei gli arcieri balcanici.
Al massimo, si possono spostare più propriamente nei balcani, lol.

In english:

I really like the idea, also because actually I'm a supporter of Hungarians, it's one of my favourte factions. Btw, I can't say anything about the geographic situation - honestly I don't know anything about that stuff.
The ideas about the units are just awersome, although personally I would not remove the "arcieri balacanici"; perhaps, they should be placed where exactly they should be: in the Balkans. [SM=g27960]
MegasBasileus
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 22:26
Hi Shikaka, really good info. I don't know if the geographical info could be accomplished 'cause that means the modders have to remake the map and it could create pathfinding problems too, but i'm not an expert :).
Great stuff about units, really interesting ;)
Crusader Knight
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 22:50
ma prendere spunto dal mod che si riferisce al regno ungherese che c'è in TWC
ho visto le unità, tutte fedelmente riprodotte
shikaka
00venerdì 25 febbraio 2011 23:23
Re:
Panzer_Grenadiere, 2011. 02. 25. 20:48:

I like a lot your ideas about units, in particular Calisians and Cuman Notables, they could (oppure should? boh... [SM=g27982]) make a lot more interesting to play this fraction. I hope the modders find interesing your concept too.
Well done!


sorry for the english, but here are the replies, so...

For one, not really my idea, most mods prefer a cavalry based Hungary :)
The main reason to play Hungary for a non-hungarian imho is to have access to all kinds of diffeent cavaly, while later (Sigismund of Luxemburg - Hunyadi era) be able to field a combined arms army.


Glauco vincitore:
Btw, I can't say anything about the geographic situation - honestly I don't know anything about that stuff.


MegasBasileus:
Hi Shikaka, really good info. I don't know if the geographical info could be accomplished 'cause that means the modders have to remake the map and it could create pathfinding problems too, but i'm not an expert :).


Some minor corrections really. For example Erdély and Ardeal is the same word in different languages (I am not sure if ARdeal is turkish or romanian, but it is hungarian Erdély).

But I would like to say again that the map of the Carpathian basin is one of the best, surely on top not counting magyar mod :)



The ideas about the units are just awersome, although personally I would not remove the "arcieri balacanici"; perhaps, they should be placed where exactly they should be: in the Balkans.


Maybe. I don't know anything about these guys though...



ma prendere spunto dal mod che si riferisce al regno ungherese che c'è in TWC
ho visto le unità, tutte fedelmente riprodotte



Just for fun, here is a bit of google translate for you:
but take inspiration from the mod that refers to the Hungarian kingdom that is in TWC
I saw the units, all faithfully reproduced


Are you referring to Magyar Mod?
If yes, then I concur. Döme and Csati are doing a great job with magyar units!
I especially like Döme's pavese's:



MegasBasileus
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 00:58
Marvelous unit :O
Unfortunately, in this case, the modders are pursuing an all around self-made mod, including units.
Currently they lack modellers and skinners but it seems that some users are showing really good potential, so maybe they can reskin Magyar's units or make new models in the future ;)

Panzer_Grenadiere
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 00:58
Come si dice in inglese "Orco Giuda!"? [SM=g27964]
Veramente splendide!
Glauco vincitore
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 11:30
Wonderful units! The only problem is that Bellum Crucis' modders prefer to use their own units, creating them by themself. Btw, I think that maybe Magyar's modder could cooperate with italians, in order to create some characteristic units only for Bellum Crucis. Of course, it's just an idea.

PS: shikaka, could you please link me the Magyar Mod? Maybe I'll try it (if there's an english version). [SM=g27961]
Picchiere fiammingo
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 11:43
www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=583
EFREM soldato di ventura
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 12:35
Re:
Panzer_Grenadiere, 26/02/2011 0.58:
Come si dice in inglese "Orco Giuda!"? [SM=g27964]
Veramente splendide!

mmm forse "OGRE JUDAS" ma non rende tanto... prova "PIG WHORE!"

GOOD JOB shikaka REALLY WONDERFUL! Hungary is one of the most interesting and powerful factions in BC, i say that 'cause actually I'm playing with Venice! love your work please continue
GlaucopideSophia1
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 12:40
interesting ideas shikaka !!!
shikaka
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 14:34
Re:
Glauco vincitore, 2011. 02. 26. 11:30:
Wonderful units! The only problem is that Bellum Crucis' modders prefer to use their own units, creating them by themself. Btw, I think that maybe Magyar's modder could cooperate with italians, in order to create some characteristic units only for Bellum Crucis. Of course, it's just an idea.

PS: shikaka, could you please link me the Magyar Mod? Maybe I'll try it (if there's an english version). [SM=g27961]



I think that is actually not problematic, but honorable.
Even though I like very much the wonderful Rusichi models for example (or the balts of MadTao), the fact that they are in every mod makes Rus/Cuman/Balts faction the same in every mod.
But I understand that modders don't have the time to do every faction, so it's perfectly understandable.


Magyar mod is about 80% done, it is bug-free and playable, but until now, only the infantry units are finished, the cavalry units are not implemented. English language except for the unit names (but there is a patch to make them english as I remember)
If you are interested, play Hungary, Lithuania, Cumans or a Rus state, they have improved models.
here:
www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=583


EFREM soldato di ventura, 2011. 02. 26. 12:35:
Panzer_Grenadiere, 26/02/2011 0.58:
Come si dice in inglese "Orco Giuda!"? [SM=g27964]
Veramente splendide!

mmm forse "OGRE JUDAS" ma non rende tanto... prova "PIG WHORE!"

GOOD JOB shikaka REALLY WONDERFUL! Hungary is one of the most interesting and powerful factions in BC, i say that 'cause actually I'm playing with Venice! love your work please continue



Why 'orco giuda'?

Just to clarify, the unit I showed is not my work, but was done by Döme and Csati!

And yes, I was pleasantly surprised about Hungary in BC. The carpathian basin map is one of the best I have seen, and the family is very well researched too.
But it is a bit strange to me that the faction starts with lots of infantry (in settlements and with generals) and cavalry is hard to get, it should be the other way around.

And even it BC team doesn't have time for new models, it would be good to have the unit roster sorted a bit in favour of light cavalry.



Also a few historical pictures:


hungarian Hunyadi-era paveses:


infantry formation from the time pros are available:


from the raiding days:




Glauco vincitore
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 15:05
@shikaka: You should intend "orco giuda" in a positive way. It's like saying, in italian, "remarkable"! [SM=g27964]

Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll have a look around very soon.

In the second image you posted, the one in wich is showned an infantry formation, I see something similar to the infantry formations used in Italy during the XIV century, in wich were used combinations of spearmen, pavese and crossbowmen. Nice, really! [SM=g27960]
Sloan
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 15:12
Re: Re:
shikaka, 26/02/2011 14.34:

Why 'orco giuda'?


It's simply a "colourful" italian way of saying similiar to "Oh my God" [SM=g27960]
shikaka
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 15:32
Re:
Glauco vincitore, 2011. 02. 26. 15:05:
@shikaka: You should intend "orco giuda" in a positive way. It's like saying, in italian, "remarkable"! [SM=g27964]

Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll have a look around very soon.

In the second image you posted, the one in wich is showned an infantry formation, I see something similar to the infantry formations used in Italy during the XIV century, in wich were used combinations of spearmen, pavese and crossbowmen. Nice, really! [SM=g27960]



That formation has two roots.
One is that Sigismund had an italian general (Filippo Scolari, who we call Pipó Ozorai), who actually proved that pro infantry formations should be the way to go.
However he never had enough funds to finance a large infantry army. Later, when skilled infantry drill instructors and skilled infantrymen became cheap (former hussites), Hungary could afford a much bigger contingent.
It was never really huge in numbers though. Matthias Corvinus had about a 10k pro army, with lots of cavalry (still much more numerous then the infantry)
Glauco vincitore
00sabato 26 febbraio 2011 17:37
Re: Re:
shikaka, 26/02/2011 15.32:



That formation has two roots.
One is that Sigismund had an italian general (Filippo Scolari, who we call Pipó Ozorai), who actually proved that pro infantry formations should be the way to go.
However he never had enough funds to finance a large infantry army. Later, when skilled infantry drill instructors and skilled infantrymen became cheap (former hussites), Hungary could afford a much bigger contingent.
It was never really huge in numbers though. Matthias Corvinus had about a 10k pro army, with lots of cavalry (still much more numerous then the infantry)


Nice! [SM=g27963]
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